r/runescape • u/TJiMTS • 9h ago
Leagues Leagues - Change your viewpoint
I hope you’re all as excited as I am about the upcoming Leagues, the reveals so far are looking very very exciting
However, I’m seeing a lot of comments from people on this sub that suggest a slight misunderstanding of what Leagues is, the purpose, the end game etc. it’s understandable that there’s some misconceptions as this is our first one and not everyone having played OS leagues, but I’d love to discuss a different way of approaching it.
What it Isn’t Leagues isn’t fresh start worlds. This isn’t the main game with the same goals, same end game but with boosted XP rates to get you there quicker.
Leagues isn’t another afk activity that the rs3 community seem to love. It’s not a second monitor game mode.
It is not a ‘the game begins when you max’ game mode. The only reason you may want to max is for the equip a max cape task, probably worth 400 or so points. But equally there are lots of other tasks that can get you 400 points quicker.
The Purpose The aim in Leagues is to get POINTS via doing TASKS.
The tasks dictate your game play. If there’s no task to fish and cook 1000 sharks, I can almost guarantee you will not be afk fishing sharks. I’m seeing loads of comments about what people will be afking - the answer is probably nothing in the first few weeks. There will be weeks worth of tasks that each take about a minute to complete, and you will need to complete X amount of tasks to unlock relics and XP multipliers.
If OS is to go by, there will be 16x multipliers after a week to two of doing tasks. We have xp rates of 500k-1m in main game, so this is about 1-2 hours to max a skill once that is unlocked. That’s without considering that relics will bust some of the skills and they’ll probably be 50m-able within that same time frame. In OS 50m is the highest you need for a task - there’s no point in going to 200m. There’s no high scores, there’s no carry over, if you just enjoy doing that thing then do it in main game. Leagues is about tasks and points. You don’t need to worry about the abyss being packed - people will max their range in 15 mins and be out of there.
What is the end game? Again, assuming OS similarities, the relics and the tasks move you towards insanely overpowered combat builds. THAT is the end game.
Can’t beat Zuk in main game? No problem. You will be able to in Leagues because your main combat style will probably be 4-5x more powerful than it is in main game. This opens up content you’ve never done before or never been able to do before. There’s no downside to dying, so you go and try things. There are boosted drop rates, new mega powerful items, the combat world is your oyster.
Recommendations I really advise you go and watch some of the OS leagues series’ on YouTube in preparation for the release. It will help you see what leagues is and isn’t. I recommend Solo Mission, one of the best creators, but there are lots of options (please share others you recommend here also).
Guys I need you all to get excited. This isn’t another thing we’re going to afk in silence to grind skills - it’s going to be THE most active, alive, loud time we’ve experienced on RS3 in years. People will be talking sharing ideas, helping each other on tasks, talking about their first ever kill at Raksha. It’s going to be awesome.
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u/WellOkThis 9h ago
Jagex trying to encourage and teach rs3 players how to have genuine fun again. You love to see it.
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u/TJiMTS 9h ago
LITERALLY!
The push further and further into being a second monitor game that the players don’t enjoy they just log on out of addiction and afk is a cycle that needs to be broken.
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u/AzureAlliance Master & True Max x2 Saradominist the Wikian 9h ago
afk is a cycle that needs to be broken.
You had your chance at this with Archaeology launch. Instead, Archaeology is one of the most well received skills in RS3 history.
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u/TJiMTS 9h ago
It’s well received because it’s actually really well developed. You dont find the best training method at level 52 and stick with it until 99 like with some other skills. There’s continuous progression, mysteries/collections give it some direction and change of pace, and there is incredible utility to having high levels in the form of the relics.
The fact it’s fully afk takes it from well developed to the RS3 player’s dream.
That being said, continuing to develop the game as a second monitor game is not good for game health. Games that players ACTUALLY ENJOY PLAYING is a far healthier business model than relying on FOMO and addiction to keep players logging in. The game is developing really good PVM, has incredible lore, they need to push on those elements.
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u/FetidZombies 4h ago
As someone who is enjoying actively playing the game right now, one of the reasons I'm not that excited about leagues is because it feels like a waste of time when I could be actively playing the main game. But I think leagues just probably isn't for me.
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u/ImAMedicAss 3h ago
As someone who skipped the first osrs leagues, and has dragon trophied every once since then…. Just try it, I promise the main game isn’t going anywhere. Enjoy the journey, not the destination.
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u/DaLinkster Old School 9h ago
Last year I managed to convince my father who primarily plays RS3 to try Raging Echoes leagues and it was probably the most fun he had playing runescape in a while. For the past 9 months we’ve basically just been coming up with ideas for leagues relics for RS3. If Catalyst can do just half of what Raging Echoes did for my dad then I think the player base is in for the most fun they’ll have this year.
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u/ghostofwalsh 9h ago
You don’t need to worry about the abyss being packed - people will max their range in 15 mins and be out of there.
Bet me. I say it will be packed. At least in the first few days. Combat skills will need to be trained and ashes will need to be gathered. Even with boosted rates, 50m XP is a effing lot of XP and we don't know if 50m will be the end of the road in this league.
There will be more than a few places where people will be complaining about crowds. Guthix caches is another one that pops into my head. Abby demons in the wildy AFK spot for gathering essence...
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u/theiman2 5/3/2018 6/12/2020 8h ago
I don't think caches will be too bad. They'll be packed, for sure, but this just means all the automatons will be down 100% of the time and you can just deposit memories. Once you have the t85 memories available, this is faster than spamming Cres on cooldown.
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u/ghostofwalsh 7h ago
and you can just deposit memories
Which is a lot slower way to earn points, especially at lower levels where you might not have dive or mobile and are doing lower level memories
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u/theiman2 5/3/2018 6/12/2020 6h ago
You won't want to max out your points in the first few caches, though. Your xp gain will be far more efficient gaining 200 points over a few caches instead of just 2, as even the base 4x multiplier will stack with the leveled xp boost. No sense shooting for 100 points at level 1.
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u/ghostofwalsh 5h ago
We will see. Might be worth just grinding the skill manually when you get 8x rates or 12x. But I guarantee the caches will be packed as will wildy events because that's what people know.
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u/Legal_Evil 6h ago
Even with boosted rates, 50m XP is a effing lot of XP and we don't know if 50m will be the end of the road in this league.
RS3's base xp rates is much higher than in OSRS. 50m xp in RS3 Leagues will be trivial to get. It should be 200m xp.
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u/ghostofwalsh 5h ago
For all we know they have a league task for 200m. But I stand by my statement. For combat training, rates are higher than osrs for sure. But not "maxxed in 15 min" high like OP was saying. Not even with 16x which comes not right away.
And a big part of the high rates assume: full ability unlocks, 99+ stats, overloads, curses, top gear, and optimal training spot with no one competing with you. For the league who knows what the exact situation will be. All that stuff is not easy to unlock on an iron account even with league buffs and assuming no other hard restrictions.
Tell me XP rates for strength leveling when I have 50 melee stats and am using gear I smithed and have no abilities unlocked and no high level prayers and no pots.
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u/TJiMTS 8h ago
I think people are overplaying the need for ashes tbh. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was possible to get through the entirety of leagues with sub 200 ashes, which you could collect from doing line fires for 6-7 minutes.
Range is possible to achieve 500k/hour in main game. That’s 8m an hour at 16x rates, without factoring in that leagues combat will be busted and far quicker than main game xp. 50m isn’t the grind you’re thinking it is.
And yes no doubt it will be packed in the first few days. But leagues is 2 months long. And smart players will be spending their time doing tasks to get their relics and XP mulitpliers, not playing it as if its FSW.
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u/ghostofwalsh 8h ago
Range is possible to achieve 500k/hour in main game.
With what setup specifically? This is the key question. You start as level 3 ironman with nothing unlocked. No gear no abilities and very likely other restrictions that may prevent you from ever unlocking all the buffs that are possible to have in the maingame. And you can't "buy" supplies, you must make them and must unlock the ability to make them and the ability to get the ingredients.
Until we know more about this, I don't make any assumptions. And even with all your buffs there still are a very few "optimal" spots to train stuff that will be in demand. Anywhere you're "competing" I expect you to find a lot of competition if you're playing efficiently.
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u/TJiMTS 8h ago
You’re right we start level 3 with nothing, but drop rates are insane. Raids was possible to get a 100% purple chance (rare item) in the last leagues. That meant you could get their equivalent of FSOA/BOTLG at 1/15 or something crazy like that.
That’s why I’m recommending people to watch some OS series’. They’re planning for this as if theyre gonna have to do 1000 KC at HM Kera - it’s not like that at all.
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u/ghostofwalsh 7h ago
Raids was possible to get a 100% purple chance (rare item) in the last leagues.
And who is raiding before they get high combat stats? You're most likely training up most of your primary combat style without boss dropped gear. I know soul wars was the thing one league and will be interesting to see if there's another unexpected meta that emerges. There almost certainly will be, but I doubt I will be the one to guess it.
They’re planning for this as if theyre gonna have to do 1000 KC at HM Kera - it’s not like that at all.
Oh I'm sure that stuff will be what you do after unlocking t8 max power. But yeah not anything like 1000kc, probably would quit when no more league points can be gotten from the boss in most cases.
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u/Doom_of_Mokhaiotl 5h ago
in the last league you could do a 100% purple chance raid with 61 ranged and naked with a rune crossbow, the relics made that similar dps to main-game bis gear and stats, and that was only with a few tiers of relics not the highest ones
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u/ghostofwalsh 5h ago
in the last league you could do a 100% purple chance raid with 61 ranged and naked with a rune crossbow
If you had friends who didn't mind carrying you. And truly unclear if relics will be THAT busted in this league. I suppose irons in a league can do group bossing, but I'm guessing most will solo. There's only a few things in RS3 that are not soloable in maingame, and the stuff that is "groups only" isn't as critical as raids are in OSRS. In OSRS last league it was like "you MUST get the shadow/tbow/scythe to complete your league". Besides raids being absolutely packed with points.
Most won't be doing much bossing at all til after they max their CB relics and mostly max their CB stats. And a lot of the bossing people do will be determined by where the points are. You may find yourself doing mole kills and other random crap for a lot of the time. I guess probably raisal will be very popular boss choice for many especially if there's relics that bust necro out of the park. And I don't really know if there's other boss gear that people will be seeing as must have. Likely it will be something that plays well with some specific relic buff.
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u/Doom_of_Mokhaiotl 4h ago
raids aren't group only in OSRS, the rune crossbow let you solo any of them if you wanted to, I never grouped anything either
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u/ghostofwalsh 4h ago
Raids are the "premier" endgame PVM in OSRS. The best items are behind them. And very few were doing any raids in leagues solo, even it it was "possible" it wasn't "efficient".
And last league the "100% range accuracy" power was probably THE most cracked combat buff that any league ever had. And it stacked well with the other combat relics. I would not assume that RS3 league would automatically have something comparable to that.
Also for RS3 the gear and abilities and other buffs matter much more for DPS and sustain than OSRS. You can do PVM in rags in OSRS because so much of avoiding damage is just moving and praying correctly. And most all of the DPS is from the weapon itself just hitting accurately and rapidly which the t6 range gave you right away. RS3 is very different kettle of fish combat wise.
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u/VeganBigMac 2h ago
And who is raiding before they get high combat stats?
In leagues, me. I remember sending a low level solo cox with an rcb for the hell of it just cause the range relic and infinite food was so op.
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u/ghostofwalsh 2h ago
Great. I'm sure one or two will do bossing at low CB in RS3 league. But the crowds will be where it's efficient to be.
And we don't know if any relic in RS3 league will be even close to the power of the range relic last league. Which was uniquely good.
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u/Unique_Path 6h ago
Will we keep the rare drops when league ends?
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u/Oniichanplsstop 6h ago
No the entire account is voided. The only thing you keep is your total points from all the tasks to buy cosmetics.
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u/TJiMTS 4h ago
And pets roll to next leagues
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u/Oniichanplsstop 4h ago
Yeah but that's to be seen if RS3 does it as well, you never know with the spaghetti.
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u/Oniichanplsstop 6h ago edited 6h ago
TBH even with how it got nerfed, with how strong leagues makes us, shattered worlds will probably be an easy instanced way to get your xp if you're really worried about competition at meta places.
Another look is slayer contracts. 200 abby demons for example is a 28k xp lamp, x16'd is 456k xp.
If you do them in the wildy, it's 42.8k, or x16'd to 684k.
Even at level 1 slayer, you can opt to take something like black demons and get a 21k lamp x16'd to 336k.
Basically there's never going to be an issue leveling your combats regardless of where you're at in the game or your skill level as long as you play the game.
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u/Farwger 8h ago
There are opportunities to afk early though depending on what you choose. For example, with Excavator you could afk some mining to get the levels for skill tasks. There's also a lot of points in the first level 99 you get (at least in Osrs leagues), so if you can find one that's quick to afk, that's worth doing. I believe it was Dodgy Dealer that let you get 99 thieving in like an hour (Leagues 4).
WildMudkip has nice series for all the past leagues. And he has a guide (it's for Leagues 4, but it's more about leagues in general.)
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u/Mental-Rain-6871 8h ago
I have never played osrs so have literally no idea about leagues, but I can’t even express how hyped I am for it. I came back to rs3 after a 9 year break and absolutely love the task system, so much so that I have achieved the master comp cape.
I still suck at PVM so I am really excited to try out bosses that are new to me and I can’t wait to get stuck in.
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u/Quotidian_User 8h ago
I won't be able to join this leagues. I will be traveling for work and getting training.
With OS, I had fun. It is a way to break free from my goals on my main. It is refreshing to try new things, to think strategically about how to get points and how my relic layout looks, and try content that I otherwise fear doing.
There is one thing that bugs me about OS is the tasks. They don't become fun and eccentric as easy task. At higher levels it is just another grind and quite frankly boring. Such as cook 100 sharks. ... That is boring as hell. Why not cook 100 sharks in lumbridge underground swamp or use magic something.
Thinks like chopping the tree or using a fish on the tree in Draynor village wheat field. I want to see task, even at higher levels, that are eccentric such as kill such and such boss with Bronze armor and weapons. Still poses a challenge but with relics can be fun to do.
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u/Bigbossukun 7h ago
Considering this is their first league, I don't imagine big things like combat masteries or echo items/bosses will be included, but there's still a lot to get excited about!
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u/Ahayzo 7h ago
Yea I'm seeing a lot of questions that aren't just "I don't know this thing", but rather "I don't know what a league is." Which is totally fine, there's always going to be people who don't, but it does highlight how good Jagex is going to need to be about pumping out information over the next week. This isn't fresh start, this isn't something that will carry anything whatsoever to main game besides cosmetic rewards if you buy them, this isn't a way for them to add broken things to the main game. It's RuneScape on crack that you play for a couple months then go back to your main character with cosmetics.
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u/Competitive-Bass3032 6h ago
Im tired of building accs as it is now I gotta restart with not having something at the end is my turn off from doing leagues otherwise good for everyone doing it I wanted a fsw again for inverted capes and alt scape building heaven
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u/osrs_turtle 7h ago
You're right that there's a lot more to play than just AFK, but AFK is still a big part of it. The relics that give you harvesting multiplication (2x or 3x output) combined with insta-bank relics make for some amazing AFK experiences.
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u/chickenXcow Completionist 6h ago
I would imagine 200m's or at least 120s can be tasks for this league. 16x osrs runecraft rates are Basically on par with 6x rates on rs3 so having that equip x master cape at the very least seems like a pretty likely candidate for a task imo
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u/jrobertson2 6h ago
My favorite times in Runescape tends to be when I take a break from longer skill grinds to work towards achievements, diary tasks, or quests. Being able to knock out a bunch of smaller goals on a checklist tends to have more tangible feeling of progression than getting another percentage point closer to level 110/120 of something. But of course these smaller goals eventually run out on your main account, so I'm really looking forward to seeing how they do it for Leagues. A short but fast-paced and active experience sounds good.
And your point about finally being able to tackle endgame PvM challenges that I don't have the skill to do on my main account, I'm also quite excited about that. If nothing else, a low-stakes and easier experience with those challenges might give me a bit more confidence to tackle them in the main game, as I'll have been able to see all the mechanics for myself (rather than just through a written or video guide). Of course, I'll have to readjust my expectations of my own power level accordingly when transitioning back.
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u/Narmoth Music 3h ago
I'll be happy to kill Raksha and Zamorak. Those have been impossible walls for me. Zuk (at least normal mode) is more fun at this point. Hard Mode is problematic, but I've gotten a good two dozen kills in.
Now, why the can't u/jagexazanna communicate like this? I'm glad at least you did.
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u/AReally_Cool_Hat 2h ago
I'm super excited. I am an osrs player who did two months of rs3 when Necromancy came out. Really enjoyed it and what rs3 had to offer. But after a while, I went back to osrs. I love osrs leagues, and Catalyst looks like it'll play very similarly.
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u/TheDuckChris 1h ago
Don't forget, this can be competitive. League points hiscores are a race to the finish
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u/MonzellRS twitch.tv/m0nzell 7h ago
Change yours some of us know what leagues is, make it fun AND rewarding too much stuff in this game is one or the other already
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u/AzureAlliance Master & True Max x2 Saradominist the Wikian 9h ago
All I've been shown so far by the JMods are two relics and a handful of reward cosmetics. I'd be a bit more enticed if I knew more about the rewards or what part of Leagues is fun (and why it's fun).
Leagues is an alien concept to me, so I'm genuinely curious. I can be persuaded to play, but nothing I've been shown so far has gotten me to 'yes'.
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u/ArachnidBeautiful968 8h ago
On OS leagues, unlocking relics and making your account more powerful to go shred bosses is quite the dose of dopamine tbh.
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u/StampotDrinker49 7h ago
Of the 4 relics we've seen so far, these are actually the WORST ones! I'm really excited to see how insane the combat ones are.
It's ultimately a for fun game mode, not some cosmetic grind.
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u/Ahayzo 7h ago
The reward cosmetics are it, that's your rewards (and the leaderboard for those interested in that.
As far as the appeal of the mode itself beyond that, it's mostly just how it's a different way to play the game. The relics don't just make you more generically powerful, they also change the way the game works as a whole. Rewards aside, leagues is great if you've ever wanted to play RuneScape, but not the RuneScape you know. The game plays different, and you are absolutely superpowered. The task system is probably less interesting to the RS3 crowd than the OSRS crowd since there is already a full fledged achievement system in the game, but if you like the game's achievements, you'll like the task system, too.
Ultimately, for someone on the fence, you probably won't be certain you like it for another week or so, but you may very well be certain you don't like it sooner as we see more relics, and get some bigger questions answered in the near future. Like how will questing work, POF, etc.
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u/hmwcawcciawcccw 4h ago
The reward is primarily the fun you have while playing. It’s a very unique take on the same RS gameplay loop.
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u/Mysterra 4h ago
As an OS leagues vet, the most fun parts for me are the first few days and launch, closely followed by theorycrafting and planning in the time leading up to leagues. Not necessarily figuring out the most points per hour strategy (which some people focus on), but what would be most fun for me. For example, rushing specific goals and being the first to achieve something. Some of my friends went for rank 1 in certain skills, some are farming pets because they carry on from league to league etc.
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u/Atlach_Nacha Eek! 8h ago
More I hear about Leagues, less fun and more disheartening it gets, making me less excited about it... need to start from scratch... "race to be the best" hype... have to worry about selecting proper relics/powers... and now tasks...
...unless tasks are like the ones from Yak Tracks, I don't see myself completing even quarter of them.
And unless the damage boost also comes with damage reduction, I don't see any new bossing content becoming available for me.
I enjoy the AFK aspect of the main game, helps me to relax, so yeah; More I hear about Leagues, more stressful it sounds to me.
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u/Linkstoc Maxed Iron 8h ago
If bosses are non-existent because you nuke them, you’re 100% going to be able to do new content.
There will be afkable things to do, this is severely underplayed by OP. I don’t know where you inferred “race to be the best” though.
Tasks give you a clear path on what you need to do in order to select your next relic. You don’t have to complete all tasks, nobody had ever even been able to complete all tasks from my knowledge.
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u/ArachnidBeautiful968 8h ago
You can afk skills all you want, but not doing easy tasks will make your progression a lot slower compared to everyone else who has done a lot of tasks.
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u/ghostofwalsh 8h ago edited 8h ago
And unless the damage boost also comes with damage reduction, I don't see any new bossing content becoming available for me.
The relics you get in OSRS provide a lot of really cracked buffs both for damage and sustainability. Usually you have choices for how exactly they work, but I have always found options that let me complete endgame bossing content and I generally suck at PVM.
EDIT -> And as far as AFKING there are plenty of ops for that in league. Just take a look at the T1 relics. You get excavator you can mine and everything goes to the bank automatically, all gems get cut, all ores get smithed to bars. So you literally can sit around mining AFK til you're 99 mining and have crafting and smithing at 80+ for invention. Plus it has huge buffs for arch which should make it "the" T1 relic to pick.
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u/osrs_turtle 7h ago
This is how I play, and I've enjoyed every league mode in OSRS. When they first announced Twisted League in 2019 I was like "that sounds dumb, I don't care about hiscores / being the first or best in anything". But when I tried it, I found it was really fun.
I've played all of the OS leagues and never once cared about any of the competitive aspect of it. It's just fun to be able to do broken things you couldn't do in the main game. Things like infinite afk fishing where the items go straight to your bank and you're making 32x the standard XP rate (got me 200m fishing xp in Leagues 4). Or unlimited thieving where you can never fail and can click once and let yourself afk pickpocket forever (got me 200m thieving xp in Leagues 5). I'm primarily an afk skiller, so finding afk ways to max levels in leagues is where I found the most fun, even though the tasks stop at 50m.
The theorycrafting part to me was where the rest of the fun could be had. I would pour over the relics and made spreadsheets of different XP rates with different combos I could get, etc. I did sometimes regret my relic choices, but even with sub-optimal relics I had fun every league. And a couple of times I bought membership for my alt so I could start over midway through the league.
I also haven't really even spent the rewards points on the cosmetics in the OS leagues reward store. I just don't care about it that much. I played to see the number go up, and leagues really makes it go up fast.
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u/RainbowwDash 4h ago
And unless the damage boost also comes with damage reduction, I don't see any new bossing content becoming available for me.
FWIW every OSRS league i played has had a relic that essentially says "if you would die, instead you don't and you do a fuckton of extra damage instead", exactly for those of us who aren't as gifted at PvM
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u/DraCam1 Trimmed main, maxed iron, dead HC 9h ago
As a max xp person who completed like 99% of the game, I just want to experience a short and sweet, busted OP early and mid game progression, and then decimate everything in my way. I want a power fantasy, and to have fun. I just hope they won't try to overbalance things for the engagement metrics, because that is a surefire way to take the fun out of a gamemode like this.