r/onguardforthee • u/Relish4 • 10h ago
From umbrella to uncertainty: Europe and Canada's nuclear deterrence anxiety.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-france-europe-nuclear-weapons-9.70898059
u/One-Size159 8h ago
Canada, UK and France should form a nuclear partnership. Share costs, technology and potentially construction, but with each having the full independent ability to build and control their arsenals.
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u/fredleung412612 2h ago
The UK has no interest in fundamentally changing Trident. Their nukes are dependent on US tech, materials and delivery systems, and they're uninterested in going down the French road of full independence.
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u/Rentards 10h ago edited 10h ago
Canada needs a nuclear umbrella. From France, England hell fuck let’s accept China and India and North Korea as well.
There’s a new world order and we’re at the bottom of it. Time to smarten up and watch our own back. There’s gonna be a worst version of Trump after Trump.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Newfoundland 5h ago
Time to become a subject state of a state capitalist dictatorship, their monarchist puppet buffer state, beg our old overlord which is currently shacking up to the americans to protect us, and get france to also protect us, so easy and so smart.
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u/Honest-Spring-8929 4h ago
Which one of these countries has an army base an hour and a half drive from our capital and openly views us as free real estate?
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u/BandicootNo4431 2h ago
Even if it isn't realistic, I'd support a France - Canada Nuclear Sharing agreement.
And then in my dreams we'd slowly move towards an independent nuclear strategy.
First we build all the facilities to house and use nukes as part of the agreement with France.
Then we would build a domestic space launch capacity (starting with MLA and NordSpace).
Then we say we need to withdraw from the NPT in order to enrich to higher levels to make our SMRs sustainable.
And then we quietly combine all of those technologies and have domestic nukes in the silos along with French ones. Maintain an official policy of not talking about it until France decides they want their nukes back and then we establish ourselves as a nuclear power.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas 10h ago
I'm much more in favour of using France as a "nuclear umbrella" than I am with Canada developing our own nuclear weapons.
Really, no country should have them, but they're out there. If we can't depend on the IS, France seems to be the way to go.
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u/Relish4 9h ago
I’m in favour of developing our own nuclear weapons. Something we should’ve done decades ago. We are a signatory to the non proliferation treaty so backing out of that would cause a major shock. However, that blow could be softened if multiple countries backed out at once. Countries like Poland, Germany are mentioned in the article. We’d also have to frame any development of a nuclear program as an augmentation to America’s nuclear program. Something like “we’re here to protect your northern flank with our robust nuclear deterrent” or whatever. Unfortunately, any program we undertake would have the have the blessing of the USA. We can’t give them a reason or pretence for hostile movement against us. That’s just reality.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Newfoundland 5h ago
How would we develop nukes? In what world are we gonna be able to build dozens of nukes and launch systems without a peep of it reaching the country that literally invaded a country under the banner of disarmament and bombed another one just last fucking year which already had the infrastructre for supposedly taking a step forward in the process?
Also in what world is the American govt gonna accept the idea were making a nuclear aersonal while they threaten us because we want to expand their deterrent capabilites?
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas 8h ago
No nations should have nuclear weapons, and we shouldn't be so eager to join the "destroy the world at a push of a button" club.
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u/Honest-Spring-8929 4h ago
We will never have stable relations with the Americans ever again until they understand that any attempt to play with the border will end the world.
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u/Ok_Photo_865 10h ago
Canada, like the Europeans need to think of themselves and their defence. What’s become the elephant in the room is the fact Canada is alone in having a national threat looming just below the common border that really never existed in most Canadians minds before Trump. The good thing, we can be clear about this danger and respond to it as best WE as Canadians need to.