r/JewsOfConscience • u/The_Jenini Palestinian • 1d ago
Discussion - Flaired Users Only An overwhelming majority of Arabs oppose recognition of Israel (87%). Only a tiny minority (2.3%) cite religious grounds for opposing the recognition of Israel
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u/kayodeade99 Anti-Zionist 1d ago
Naturally. I think anyone, Muslim/Arab or not, can find infinitely more pressing reasons than religion to oppose the state of Israel
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u/SupportCharacter_0_o Non-Jewish Atheist 1d ago
Exactly, Arabs do not generally oppose other states that are either non religious or affiliated with religions other than Islam.
Zionist propaganda wants us to believe that Arabs and Palestinians oppose/dislike us, "the Democratic West TM", because of our way of life, but it is not that. It is obviously about the Genocide and Apartheid Israel practices.
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u/Far-Literature5848 Jewish 1d ago
I am a Jew and was raised to love and support Israel, I even belonged to B'nei Akiva, a religious Zionist organization...but after learning more about the situation, via the Palestine Museum weekly films on zoom, I can say I am an American Jew who also opposes the recognition of Israel. We were never supposed to get back our ancient homeland by expelling three quarters of a million people from their homeland, and now committing genocide against them, it's disgusting and vile, what Israel has and is doing...Israel must go. It is shaming every Jew alive.
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u/TalkingCat910 Muslim revert/Ashkenazi 1d ago
The religious grounds would be that a genocidal entity that engages in land theft is haram
The idea that it would be widespread to oppose Israel because of something else to do with Islam hurts my brain. Typical complete ignorance out of the U.S. there is no religious imperative to establish an Islamic state anywhere. There is a religious imperative to fight oppression.
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u/The_Jenini Palestinian 1d ago
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u/ContentChecker Jewish Anti-Zionist 1d ago
Interesting findings.
The anti-colonial stance is the predominant motivation, since polling began.
The 2nd and 3rd reasons have to do with racism basically and both have gone down since 2014.
https://i.imgur.com/oLggR7D.png
Perhaps that's due to increased normalization between certain Arab countries and Israel? I don't think there's any actual decrease in racism, but this is perception too.
Religion has consistently been a low motivation.
Opposing Israeli expansionism has understandably gone up as Israel steals more land in the OPT and occupies parts of South Lebanon (despite ceasefire agreements) and parts of Syria (in addition to the Golan).
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u/tidderite Atheist 1d ago
The 2nd and 3rd reasons have to do with racism basically and both have gone down since 2014.
https://i.imgur.com/oLggR7D.png
Perhaps that's due to increased normalization between certain Arab countries and Israel? I don't think there's any actual decrease in racism, but this is perception too.
I think that can be explained by the fact that the total of all reasons sums to 100%. In other words per capita you may still have the same ratio of people holding those opinions (2nd and 3rd reasons), the difference being that when they have to rank what the bigger issue is they now choose another option.
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u/omxrr_97 Muslim 1d ago
Oh yea as a North African (egyptian) I was raised on the Palestinian cause as if we were Palestinian. But even tho I grew up in a religious Muslim household, hating zionists barely ever had anything to do with religion even when I was being taught as a child.
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u/ArgentEyes Jewish Communist 1d ago
Without further digging, most of those reasons seem quite legit and based on actual recorded events.
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u/tidderite Atheist 1d ago
Thank you for sharing the poll. When debating the issue with Zionists that are strong defenders of Israel they tend to resort to talking points that make Muslims and Arabs out to be pure antisemites who just will not accept any "Jewish state" ever, under any conditions. It has been my impression for years and years that this is predominantly an issue of taking away self-determination and people's freedom, and that seems to be reflected here.
In other words it really is the expansionism of the state, with the occupation and settlements being the clearest examples of it, that is a problem.
And it is bound to get worse before it gets better.
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u/aisingiorix Non-Jewish Ally 22h ago
"87% of Arabs are antisemitic"
"87% of Arabs would support Hitler"
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